G5isAlive
Mar 20, 08:23 AM
Old timer here, I still have a first gen iPod. The kind with a mechanical jog wheel...
What you're all forgetting is that, before the iPod, MP3 players were either the size of a Diskman (remember those), or only held 16 songs. The iPod was entering a market that didn't exist, and it was also the first iProduct Apple Computer Inc released. Nobody expected it, nobody cared about it.
You still see the same attitude on these boards, when someone says "I don't care about the iPad 2, I just want my Core i7 MBP!" There's no difference, except now we've seen that iProducts do sell, and don't laugh them off so easily...
You can't tell me you wouldn't laugh and make the same sort of comments if Apple released a clothing line. ;)
if the clothesline held 5000 pieces of clothes, put them up for me, dried them quickly, and then folded them in baskets? I wouldn't laugh.
Your point about hindsight is well taken but some of us didn't pay attention to the nay sayers then, and still don't. I bought gen 1 iPod as well, and loved it. And the point those old comments make clear, as more than one person pointed out, people will always naysay the new... and still do today. Except today they go to extremes to find flaws as well and insist 'fail'
Bah
What you're all forgetting is that, before the iPod, MP3 players were either the size of a Diskman (remember those), or only held 16 songs. The iPod was entering a market that didn't exist, and it was also the first iProduct Apple Computer Inc released. Nobody expected it, nobody cared about it.
You still see the same attitude on these boards, when someone says "I don't care about the iPad 2, I just want my Core i7 MBP!" There's no difference, except now we've seen that iProducts do sell, and don't laugh them off so easily...
You can't tell me you wouldn't laugh and make the same sort of comments if Apple released a clothing line. ;)
if the clothesline held 5000 pieces of clothes, put them up for me, dried them quickly, and then folded them in baskets? I wouldn't laugh.
Your point about hindsight is well taken but some of us didn't pay attention to the nay sayers then, and still don't. I bought gen 1 iPod as well, and loved it. And the point those old comments make clear, as more than one person pointed out, people will always naysay the new... and still do today. Except today they go to extremes to find flaws as well and insist 'fail'
Bah
kntgsp
Apr 2, 10:54 AM
Bigger screen is not an improved spec.
If it's done within the same unit dimensions or slightly (a few millimeters) larger, then yes it is an improved spec.
In a 3.5" screen is somewhat of a drawback for high end devices that are expected to do everything. Power draw on screens and chips is reduced, the technology exists to keep thin form factors and battery life while scaling up to 3.7 and 4" screens. Just swapping between a Nexus One's 3.7" and Nexus S' 4.0" makes a noticeable difference. Scaling 960x640 up to 4" isn't going to ruin the "zomg retina" that every apple fanatic screams about. It'll still put it ahead of all the competition's 800x480 4" screens.
When the interface on a device is handled solely through touch input on the screen itself, 4" screens have a significant advantage over 3.5" screens. After using a Nexus S, Galaxy S, HTC HD2, etc. I think the sweet spot is 4". 4.3" and the unit dimensions start getting too big. But 4" provides just enough extra screen real estate to make typing more comfortable and information display easier to read. Not to mention with Apple pushing gaming on its IOS devices, onscreen joysticks would be made quite a bit easier with a little added space.
And the point is that the current Iphone dimensions don't need to change to accommodate a larger screen. Just lessen the bezel width and you can put a larger screen in the current sized handset without issue. Or scale the dimensions up a few millimeters. Either way it's win-win.
If it's done within the same unit dimensions or slightly (a few millimeters) larger, then yes it is an improved spec.
In a 3.5" screen is somewhat of a drawback for high end devices that are expected to do everything. Power draw on screens and chips is reduced, the technology exists to keep thin form factors and battery life while scaling up to 3.7 and 4" screens. Just swapping between a Nexus One's 3.7" and Nexus S' 4.0" makes a noticeable difference. Scaling 960x640 up to 4" isn't going to ruin the "zomg retina" that every apple fanatic screams about. It'll still put it ahead of all the competition's 800x480 4" screens.
When the interface on a device is handled solely through touch input on the screen itself, 4" screens have a significant advantage over 3.5" screens. After using a Nexus S, Galaxy S, HTC HD2, etc. I think the sweet spot is 4". 4.3" and the unit dimensions start getting too big. But 4" provides just enough extra screen real estate to make typing more comfortable and information display easier to read. Not to mention with Apple pushing gaming on its IOS devices, onscreen joysticks would be made quite a bit easier with a little added space.
And the point is that the current Iphone dimensions don't need to change to accommodate a larger screen. Just lessen the bezel width and you can put a larger screen in the current sized handset without issue. Or scale the dimensions up a few millimeters. Either way it's win-win.
Macinthetosh
May 4, 11:06 PM
iPad 3 - iPad 3D
iPad 3D.
You heard it here first folks.
Almost had it.
iPad 3D.
You heard it here first folks.
Almost had it.
Tab
Aug 3, 03:04 PM
NEWSFLASH: The iPod Nano and Blackbook are exactly the same. This banner contains nothing new. You guys are seeing things.
Jackie.Cane
Sep 12, 05:27 PM
I like CoverFlow and the free album art but...
Good god this thing is an ugly beast! From the side navigation panel to the scrollbars and buttons, to the Store itself - this has got to be the least asthetically appealing consumer app from Apple in a very long time. Windows XP style FTW!
Good god this thing is an ugly beast! From the side navigation panel to the scrollbars and buttons, to the Store itself - this has got to be the least asthetically appealing consumer app from Apple in a very long time. Windows XP style FTW!
MattDell
Sep 6, 08:31 AM
So do we keep waiting for updated Macbooks and Macbook Pro's or not? :confused:
snakeanthony
Oct 15, 05:10 PM
Yeah, I was with him up until this line:
I think that music faded in importance for a while, and the iPod has helped to bring music back into people's lives in a really meaningful way. Music is so deep within all of us, but it's easy to go for a day or a week or a month or a year without really listening to music. And the iPod has changed that for tens of millions of people, and that makes me really happy, because I think music is good for the soul.
Umm, yeah, the iPod brought music back into the limelight. Thanks Steve Jobs, in the 90s I was worried music would go away forever, even though it's existed since the dawn of man. :rolleyes:
I think that music faded in importance for a while, and the iPod has helped to bring music back into people's lives in a really meaningful way. Music is so deep within all of us, but it's easy to go for a day or a week or a month or a year without really listening to music. And the iPod has changed that for tens of millions of people, and that makes me really happy, because I think music is good for the soul.
Umm, yeah, the iPod brought music back into the limelight. Thanks Steve Jobs, in the 90s I was worried music would go away forever, even though it's existed since the dawn of man. :rolleyes:
Websnapx2
Aug 3, 05:10 PM
people are not understanding that ALL products on the banner have already been released...aside from leopard.
aside from leopard.
Everything on that banner has been released/announced. THERE IS NOTHING NEW ONTHIS BANNER! :rolleyes:
whew...
Ok, please keep in mind that while none of us that aren't in the know at apple can say for sure, it is rational and most plausible that the reason that all these icons/photos are on the banner is because this is what current developers are working on and concerned with in their everyday application creation. Steve said even at Macworld the we are not fully done with the PPC architecture and that developers will need to create with it in mind for a few years to come (hence, the 64-bit logo which applies to the G5). Now, this is not to say that 64 bit chips aren't to be announced, but really! Why would the mix brand new items that have not been announced on the same banner as all of their other known technologies FIVE days before the keynote. It doesn't happen for two reasons. 1) they always wait till the day before to put that stuff up and 2) they always the items on their own unless it has a direct tie in with another known technology (ie: new iPod w/ itunes logo).
Apple wants you to get exited about each new item and focus on them for each promotional piece. If there are 5 major announcement there will be five banners, and so on. Nothing on this banner is a hint to anything. The really goodies/photo leaks will surface around sunday when they guys putting up the new stuff screw up and go for coffee with the banners of a Mac Pro exposed.
Hmmm...... If you look closely at the banner photo you'll see the "64-bit" logo is awfully close to the photo of the iMac. The current Intel iMacs are not 64-bit since the Core Duo (1) processers are 32-bit. Could this mean that the iMacs are going to get the new Core Duo 2 processers, which just happen to be 64-bit.
That's hilarious!! Dude I get your grasping at straws, but come on? Your putting WAY too much thought in to this....
aside from leopard.
Everything on that banner has been released/announced. THERE IS NOTHING NEW ONTHIS BANNER! :rolleyes:
whew...
Ok, please keep in mind that while none of us that aren't in the know at apple can say for sure, it is rational and most plausible that the reason that all these icons/photos are on the banner is because this is what current developers are working on and concerned with in their everyday application creation. Steve said even at Macworld the we are not fully done with the PPC architecture and that developers will need to create with it in mind for a few years to come (hence, the 64-bit logo which applies to the G5). Now, this is not to say that 64 bit chips aren't to be announced, but really! Why would the mix brand new items that have not been announced on the same banner as all of their other known technologies FIVE days before the keynote. It doesn't happen for two reasons. 1) they always wait till the day before to put that stuff up and 2) they always the items on their own unless it has a direct tie in with another known technology (ie: new iPod w/ itunes logo).
Apple wants you to get exited about each new item and focus on them for each promotional piece. If there are 5 major announcement there will be five banners, and so on. Nothing on this banner is a hint to anything. The really goodies/photo leaks will surface around sunday when they guys putting up the new stuff screw up and go for coffee with the banners of a Mac Pro exposed.
Hmmm...... If you look closely at the banner photo you'll see the "64-bit" logo is awfully close to the photo of the iMac. The current Intel iMacs are not 64-bit since the Core Duo (1) processers are 32-bit. Could this mean that the iMacs are going to get the new Core Duo 2 processers, which just happen to be 64-bit.
That's hilarious!! Dude I get your grasping at straws, but come on? Your putting WAY too much thought in to this....
cadillaccactus
Sep 6, 09:16 AM
for the life of me I can't remember what the 17 and 20 were priced at before today... did they drop?
this is a dumb question but im curious. i had been holding off on buying a 20, but if the price has come down... hmmm.
this is a dumb question but im curious. i had been holding off on buying a 20, but if the price has come down... hmmm.
dstrauss
Mar 28, 01:16 PM
Great, another store that carries iPad 2 but won't ever have any in stock. LOL.
Unfortunately I think 80% of iPad 2 supply is going to scalpers and resellers, the moment Apple stores get them in stock they sell out and craigslist is then flooded with heavily marked up iPads. It's kind of ridiculous.
On a related note, isn't it a bit weird Apple hasn't announced any sales figures yet? They're usually quick to brag when devices hit a million sales in a short amount of time.
The ONLY way to stop this would be an in-store activiation requirement - no more "New in Box - Unopened" sales and then they'd also have to deal with the warranty switch-over.
Unfortunately I think 80% of iPad 2 supply is going to scalpers and resellers, the moment Apple stores get them in stock they sell out and craigslist is then flooded with heavily marked up iPads. It's kind of ridiculous.
On a related note, isn't it a bit weird Apple hasn't announced any sales figures yet? They're usually quick to brag when devices hit a million sales in a short amount of time.
The ONLY way to stop this would be an in-store activiation requirement - no more "New in Box - Unopened" sales and then they'd also have to deal with the warranty switch-over.
MacRuler
Mar 28, 08:25 PM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8C148 Safari/6533.18.5)
how do we know for sure no new iphone or imac will be released?? i think everyone is counting out the possibilty a little too quickly over some rumors that may not even be true.
how do we know for sure no new iphone or imac will be released?? i think everyone is counting out the possibilty a little too quickly over some rumors that may not even be true.
xper
Oct 21, 12:02 AM
I nominate the above post to win the "most-retarded-comment-award"
Brandon Sharitt
Sep 4, 06:57 AM
The following is just me personal guesses as too updates to Apples hardware over the next 6 months or so, with a few coming on the 12th and most by the end of the year.
MacBook Pros updated to Core 2 Duos is a no brainer, though I'm not sure if they'd launch it at such and event, but still possible since it is a bit more than speed bump, and you know Steve would want to brag about his new 64-bit PowerBooks.
Also, the iMacs seem to be in the same boat processor wise, though which Core 2 Duo isn't quite as obvious of a choice. If they could fit a G5 in the form factor, it seems reasonable that they could get Conroe in there too, but Merom would let it run cooler. Considering the large gap between the Mac mini and Mac Pro, a 23" iMac would just make sense, unless the much hoped for Conroe based mid tower was released, though that a lot less likely than a 23" iMac, or even a 30" iMac, so don't hold your breath.
MacBooks, don't hold your breath, possibly price drops to get it to $999 again since Yonah prices have come down since launch, but don't expect a Core 2 Duo any time soon. The MacBook is already eating the MacBook Pro's launch due to the similar specs, so the Core 2 is likely to be the MacBook Pro advantage.
Like the MacBook, the Mac mini could see drops back down to G4 levels, and I would discount the Core Duos across the line, but again, don't look for the Core 2 Duo anytime soon.
As for iPods, I would expect the touch screen Video iPod to come out in time for the holiday season, though maybe not on the 12th. The reason being to compete with the Zune and the fact that there finally seems to be a deal about a movie store. As for the regular iPod, probably 40GB and 80GB versions at the current prices, with a slim chance at a 60GB model at $349. As for the nano, probably doubling of storage on all models(2GB, 4GB, 8GB) at the same price points. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 1GB nano at around $129 either. As for the shuffle, if it survives, 512MB at $49 and 1GB at around $79 or so.
MacBook Pros updated to Core 2 Duos is a no brainer, though I'm not sure if they'd launch it at such and event, but still possible since it is a bit more than speed bump, and you know Steve would want to brag about his new 64-bit PowerBooks.
Also, the iMacs seem to be in the same boat processor wise, though which Core 2 Duo isn't quite as obvious of a choice. If they could fit a G5 in the form factor, it seems reasonable that they could get Conroe in there too, but Merom would let it run cooler. Considering the large gap between the Mac mini and Mac Pro, a 23" iMac would just make sense, unless the much hoped for Conroe based mid tower was released, though that a lot less likely than a 23" iMac, or even a 30" iMac, so don't hold your breath.
MacBooks, don't hold your breath, possibly price drops to get it to $999 again since Yonah prices have come down since launch, but don't expect a Core 2 Duo any time soon. The MacBook is already eating the MacBook Pro's launch due to the similar specs, so the Core 2 is likely to be the MacBook Pro advantage.
Like the MacBook, the Mac mini could see drops back down to G4 levels, and I would discount the Core Duos across the line, but again, don't look for the Core 2 Duo anytime soon.
As for iPods, I would expect the touch screen Video iPod to come out in time for the holiday season, though maybe not on the 12th. The reason being to compete with the Zune and the fact that there finally seems to be a deal about a movie store. As for the regular iPod, probably 40GB and 80GB versions at the current prices, with a slim chance at a 60GB model at $349. As for the nano, probably doubling of storage on all models(2GB, 4GB, 8GB) at the same price points. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 1GB nano at around $129 either. As for the shuffle, if it survives, 512MB at $49 and 1GB at around $79 or so.
mustgroove
Oct 27, 01:44 AM
What's the vibe on this update for people who haven't had any RSS problems so far, and whose machines haven't been in for service at all???
I'm tempted to do it anyway, to stave off the possibility that it might eventually go to **** in a couple months (a la people whose week 19 machines have been fine till yesterday kinda thing), but then that old saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it" pops into my mind...
I'm tempted to do it anyway, to stave off the possibility that it might eventually go to **** in a couple months (a la people whose week 19 machines have been fine till yesterday kinda thing), but then that old saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it" pops into my mind...
kcmac
Aug 3, 12:06 PM
People keep mentioning this.. does anyone have a link to the add that specifically challenges hackers?
Do you ever watch TV? Seen the latest I'm a Mac, I'm a PC Ads?
Do you ever watch TV? Seen the latest I'm a Mac, I'm a PC Ads?
MarcelV
Sep 4, 07:29 AM
If it's just an upgrade for the 5G iPod, I m gonna be disappointed......at myself. I was holding off to replace my aging 3G iPod, and was gonna wait till 6G (full screen). But if it's just about a larger harddrive, i really could have bought the current one loooong time ago.
kas23
Mar 12, 11:11 AM
well for me is more like i dont want to pay nearly 2000 euros for a machine thats 9 months old and may be updated in a few weeks.. it may not but i rather wait and spend my money wiselly..at least thats my opinion
Exactly, would anyone buy a car for sticker price when the next year's model is coming our in 1-2 weeks? Heck no. That said, this is the best time to get a great deal on the older model because the dealers usually drop the prices significantly. Buying a computer shouldn't be that different. Even Apple thinks so, because you can buy the older model for cheaper in the discount/sale section.
Therefore, even if you don't care about the latest technology (and this is perfectly OK), it would be foolish to buy a MBP right now. These same models will show up in the sales section in 1-2 weeks for a few hundred dollars cheaper. And if you still want to throw your money away, I'll gladly take it instead. :)
Exactly, would anyone buy a car for sticker price when the next year's model is coming our in 1-2 weeks? Heck no. That said, this is the best time to get a great deal on the older model because the dealers usually drop the prices significantly. Buying a computer shouldn't be that different. Even Apple thinks so, because you can buy the older model for cheaper in the discount/sale section.
Therefore, even if you don't care about the latest technology (and this is perfectly OK), it would be foolish to buy a MBP right now. These same models will show up in the sales section in 1-2 weeks for a few hundred dollars cheaper. And if you still want to throw your money away, I'll gladly take it instead. :)
tyler999
Aug 8, 02:38 PM
The video of the wireless mac hack has finally been made publically available on Kaneva:
http://www.kaneva.com/asset/8469.storeItem
Just in time for developcon...
http://www.kaneva.com/asset/8469.storeItem
Just in time for developcon...
Michaelgtrusa
Apr 12, 12:52 PM
Manufacturing build wealth, generate revenue and helps a nation defend itself in time of war, we have shipped most of that overseas. So what happens when we have to go to war on a world scale? The U.S has been protecting Taiwan for several years and what have the done for the U.S? Nothing!
YoNeX
Oct 27, 07:37 PM
Good: Notebook is only 30� C
Bad: Fan blasting @ 6KRPM (really unnecessary, can't even use this in class without disturbing the rest of the people in there)
Bad: Fan blasting @ 6KRPM (really unnecessary, can't even use this in class without disturbing the rest of the people in there)
gnasher729
Nov 8, 09:00 AM
About time...but at this stage should i wait for the Santa Rosa platform with the ram drives and all that?? ;)
Yes, you should wait. The more people wait for the next generation, the earlier everyone else can get their MacBooks.
Yes, you should wait. The more people wait for the next generation, the earlier everyone else can get their MacBooks.
MSUSpartan
Mar 14, 07:11 PM
@Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davecsparty/5527915104/)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5017/5527915104_e249453513_b.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5017/5527915104_e249453513_b.jpg
kiljoy616
Apr 2, 12:36 PM
Adobe flash... HA!
The wizards at Apple can't even make a mobile device that will run that load of crap. I hope that crap-ware never makes it into any IOS based products.
Considering it runs like crap on Android from what I have read there is no way as long as steve is around that will go in an iOS.
http://gigaom.com/video/video-flash-on-android-is-startlingly-bad/
Use Skyfire if you really need it I sure don't miss Flash. :D
The wizards at Apple can't even make a mobile device that will run that load of crap. I hope that crap-ware never makes it into any IOS based products.
Considering it runs like crap on Android from what I have read there is no way as long as steve is around that will go in an iOS.
http://gigaom.com/video/video-flash-on-android-is-startlingly-bad/
Use Skyfire if you really need it I sure don't miss Flash. :D
MatthewConnelly
Nov 8, 05:56 AM
I have a good feeling, it's about the right time of day!
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